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03:32:15 PM Cook Inlet Gas Overview
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Cook Inlet Gas: Reality & Exploration
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                        January 31, 2007                                                                                        
                           3:30 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Charlie Huggins, Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Bert Stedman, Vice Chair                                                                                                
Senator Lyda Green                                                                                                              
Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                            
Senator Lesil McGuire                                                                                                           
Senator Bill Wielechowski                                                                                                       
Senator Thomas Wagoner                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
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Senator Fred Dyson                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Cook Inlet Gas Overview - BOB SWENSON, Division of Geologic and                                                                 
Geophysical Surveys (DGGS)                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BOB SWENSON, State Geologist & Acting Director                                                                                  
Division of Geologic and Geophysical Surveys (DGGS)                                                                             
Department of Natural Resources                                                                                                 
400 Willoughby Ave.                                                                                                             
Juneau, AK  99801-1724                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented Cook Inlet Gas overview.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CHARLIE  HUGGINS  called  the  Senate  Resources  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting to order at  3:29:50 PM. Senators Wielechowski,                                                             
Green, Huggins, Stevens  and Huggins were present at  the call to                                                               
order.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                    ^Cook Inlet Gas Overview                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS  announced that the  committee would hear  the Cook                                                               
Inlet gas overview.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:32:15 PM                                                                                                                    
BOB  SWENSON, State  Geologist and  Acting Director,  Division of                                                               
Geologic and  Geophysical Surveys  (DGGS), Department  of Natural                                                               
Resources  (DNR), said  he would  give  them an  overview of  gas                                                               
potential  around the  state focusing  on Cook  Inlet. Of  the 36                                                               
trillion  cubic  feet  (tcf)  of   Alaska  gas,  nearly  all  was                                                               
discovered while  searching for  oil. Gas  exploration is  in its                                                               
infancy mostly because of the lack  of a large market in which to                                                               
sell it. He noted that  published resource assessments often have                                                               
very  large  associated  "error  bars"  due  to  a  fairly  large                                                               
distribution  around  a   mean  number.  Significant  exploration                                                               
potential  exists in  a number  of basins  around the  state, but                                                               
access  to  markets is  important  to  its development.  In  Cook                                                               
Inlet, most of the "easy" gas  has been found and delineated. The                                                               
rest of the gas will be more expensive to develop.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:35:42 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGGINS asked what gas was included in his 36 tcf.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MCGUIRE joined the committee.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON replied  that the 36 tcf includes all  the gas in the                                                               
state that  is "booked." Reserve  potential is another  issue. He                                                               
said  Alaska's  topography  is complicated  and  the  geology  is                                                               
likewise complex. On his PowerPoint,  he indicated the population                                                               
centers  and  roads, which  is  the  only infrastructure  in  the                                                               
state. Only  the sedimentary  basins have  gas potential  and all                                                               
have different and distinct potential,  and they have a different                                                               
amount of data available to determine that - a key point.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS  asked if a  sedimentary basin is likely  to have                                                               
oil.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SWENSON replied  when geologists  talk  about a  sedimentary                                                               
basin, they mean  it has not gone into any  kind of metamorphosis                                                               
- into  hard rock,  for instance.  Whether or not  it has  gas is                                                               
related  to whether  it is  a marine  source rock  or gas  source                                                               
rock. The  gas can be  either marine or  coal. A lot  of biogenic                                                               
gas  in  Alaska is  associated  with  coals.  Almost all  of  the                                                               
sedimentary basins in the state do have some potential.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:38:57 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWENSON compared  the size of Colorado to the  size of Alaska                                                               
and  said Colorado  is  a very  rich oil  and  gas province.  But                                                               
Alaska has basins that nearly cover  up the state of Colorado. He                                                               
said the North Slope has  tremendous gas potential and the Barrow                                                               
arch is where most of the oil  in the state and North America has                                                               
been found.  The Beaufort  Sea and  Colville basin  probably have                                                               
the  dominant  potential  within   the  state  for  natural  gas.                                                               
Extending the Colville  trough out into the Chukchi  Sea area, is                                                               
the Chukchi  Basin, which  has similar  geology to  onshore North                                                               
Slope geology. It is a tremendous gas province, he said.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:40:45 PM                                                                                                                    
He  said the  Division of  Geological Geophysical  Surveys (DGGS)                                                               
has gone  through a  series of  mapping programs  in the  last 15                                                               
years to map  the Brooks Range Foothills. It is  an important gas                                                               
province with only  limited exploration wells because  of the gas                                                               
the early wells had. He showed  lease sales in the Foothills area                                                               
that  were  picked up  by  a  number  of  gas companies,  and  he                                                               
remarked that  the only difference  between the Brooks  Range and                                                               
the Foreland Basin  associated with it and  the Canadian Foreland                                                               
Basin and Rocky Mountain front is the infrastructure.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:42:23 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWENSON  said Bristol  Bay has the  North Aleutian  Basin. He                                                               
showed the annual  lease sale held last year. At  the most recent                                                               
sale, Shell Oil spent $1.2 million on leases.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He  explained  that the  map  they  were  looking at  showed  the                                                               
thickness of  the tertiary  sediment in  the basin  and explained                                                               
the potential  for hydrocarbons.  He noted  that the  Bristol Bay                                                               
area is  significantly larger than  the Alaska  National Wildlife                                                               
Refuge 1002  area and  that the presence  of volcanoes  makes the                                                               
potential for  oil and gas  essentially zero; it's really  in the                                                               
near shore and offshore areas.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked how much oil  and gas is there and how                                                               
does one get it to market.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:46:10 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWENSON  said the market issue  is the big one,  and the Gulf                                                               
of  Alaska is  Alaska's sleeper  basin. A  significant amount  of                                                               
exploration has  already happened there.  In fact, the  first oil                                                               
production in  Alaska in the late  1800s was at Katalla  [west of                                                               
Kayak  Island]. His  map marked  oil  seeps with  green dots  and                                                               
wells with  red dots. The  on-shore wells were  drilled primarily                                                               
in the  1950s and 1960s; the  offshore wells were drilled  in the                                                               
1970s following  the discovery  of Swanson  River. Unfortunately,                                                               
however,  none of  the wells  in the  entire exploration  program                                                               
found economic  reserves. One reason  for that is  the complexity                                                               
of the  geology, and  he showed  a cross  section that  goes from                                                               
Chugach to  the north all the  way down to the  Pacific plate. It                                                               
has a thrust  belt, similar to the  Wyoming-Canadian thrust belt.                                                               
It is deforming today, and the  oil seeps with big structures got                                                               
people excited,  but the sediment is  too thick to get  down into                                                               
what was expected to be reservoir rock.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGGINS  asked if  neither  oil  nor  gas was  found.  Mr.                                                               
Swenson  replied  that there  were  lots  of  shows and  lots  of                                                               
indication  of   hydrocarbons  throughout  the  system,   but  no                                                               
economic reserves.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:48:46 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWENSON showed  an oil seep on Johnson Creek,  about 50 miles                                                               
west  of Yakutat;  about a  barrel a  day is  seeping out  of the                                                               
ground a  quarter of a  mile from the  Gulf of Alaska.  He showed                                                               
estimates provided  by the MMS [Minerals  Management Service] and                                                               
United States Geological Survey  (USGS) from assessments they had                                                               
done.  He  explained  that  the   numbers  were  for  technically                                                               
recoverable  reserves. This  means if  there are  no economic  or                                                               
access constraints,  those hydrocarbons  could be  recovered. The                                                               
ranges  of  estimates  of  the  volumes   of  gas  are  95  in  5                                                               
probabilities. This  is an important concept  to understand. When                                                               
geologists are asked  to give a number, they may  say 5, but they                                                               
really mean somewhere  between 1 and 10, but he  said it is based                                                               
on rigorous analysis  of data in any given area.  The figures are                                                               
predictions  of what  kind  of  technically recoverable  reserves                                                               
exist.  The  95   number  means  that  there  is   a  95  percent                                                               
probability that the amount of  reserves in the basin are greater                                                               
than that number. The 5  percent probability means that there's a                                                               
5 percent chance that it is not  greater than that number or a 95                                                               
percent chance that  it's smaller. The mean is usually  in the 50                                                               
percent range, he explained.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The point  is that  usually what everyone  sees published  is the                                                               
mean number.  But it's really important  to understand, depending                                                               
on how much data one has  in an area, what the distribution looks                                                               
like. In a  district with very little data, like  the Hope basin,                                                               
there  is a  chance that  there are  no hydrocarbons  because all                                                               
mean numbers are often added together.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:53:32 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  STEDMAN asked  how  much exploration  has  been done  in                                                               
Southeast Alaska.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SWENSON replied  that  the  Yakutat block  is  the limit  of                                                               
exploration.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEDMAN asked about exploration  in Chatham Strait, which                                                               
is similar to Cook Inlet.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SWENSON  replied  that  one   of  the  key  issues  for  any                                                               
hydrocarbon  basin  is  the  thickness   of  the  sediments.  The                                                               
basement rock,  which is all  around Juneau,  has no oil  and gas                                                               
potential at all;  the potential is in the  sediments. In Chatham                                                               
Strait,  the thickness  of  the  sediment is  no  more than  1000                                                               
meters. The potential there is relatively low.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:55:53 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked how much  of Alaska would one tcf fuel                                                               
and for how long.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON replied  that 8.2 tcf of gas was  found in Cook Inlet                                                               
in 1968,  and it has 2.2  tcf left. He estimated  that 60 percent                                                               
of  that was  export from  the Agrium  plant; the  Anchorage Bowl                                                               
uses 260 bcf per year.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:56:50 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGGINS asked him to elaborate on the gas exports.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON responded  that when the 8.2 tcf of  gas was found in                                                               
Cook Inlet, it was all  stranded--there was no market. To develop                                                               
a  market  and  start  monetizing  the  gas,  both  Phillips  and                                                               
Marathon  created   a  LNG  plant,   and  Unocal   developed  the                                                               
fertilizer plant. The amount of gas  used in both of those export                                                               
facilities probably makes up about 60 percent of the usage.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SWENSON  said  there  is  a  mean  estimate  of  20  tcf  of                                                               
undiscovered  conventional reserves  in all  of southern  Alaska,                                                               
derived from adding  all the means together.  Central Alaska, the                                                               
interior basin,  has a mean of  about 9 tcf of  undiscovered gas,                                                               
and northern Alaska  has greater than 33 tcf of  reserves, with a                                                               
mean estimate of  150 tcf undiscovered for all the  basins he has                                                               
spoken about. The  proven (booked) gas reserves  total 36,170 bcf                                                               
in  the 2000  annual report.  Cook Inlet  has only  6 percent  of                                                               
those total  proven reserves.  In the  USGS' opinion,  Cook Inlet                                                               
has a mean of 1.4 tcf yet to be found.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS  said that he  thinks of Cook Inlet  as including                                                               
Shelikof Strait, but this refers to just the Cook Inlet.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON agreed, and he showed  the committee a geology map of                                                               
the Cook Inlet  area indicating a significant  amount of activity                                                               
over the years.  He said the stratigraphy "that  we'll be talking                                                               
about  in  the gas  is  the  Sterling,  Beluga and  Upper  Tyonek                                                               
formations."  Oil  and  gas   are  totally  separate  hydrocarbon                                                               
systems. "The oil  is generated down in these rocks  and has some                                                               
associated  gas.  Ninety-five percent  of  the  gas that's  being                                                               
produced  in the  basin  all comes  out  of the  coals  and is  a                                                               
biogenetic gas and does not  require the thermogenic hit; it does                                                               
not require to be cooked  to release those hydrocarbons." He said                                                               
the beluga coal fields are just behind the town of Tyonek.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:00:29 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWENSON said the Alaska  Peninsula and Cook Inlet are created                                                               
from  the  Pacific  plate subducting  under  the  North  American                                                               
plate, which moves as fast as  a fingernail grows and creates the                                                               
region's earthquakes and volcanoes. Cook  Inlet basin is a unique                                                               
type of depositional  system, he noted. It is a  forearc basin [a                                                               
depression in  the sea  floor located  between a  subduction zone                                                               
and  an associated  volcanic arc],  and  it is  unusual for  that                                                               
system to  have hydrocarbon  accumulations. The  material scraped                                                               
off  of  the   Pacific  plate  becomes  the   Kenai  and  Chugach                                                               
Mountains, he explained.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:02:11 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWENSON  said the Cook  Inlet basin  is bounded by  the Bruin                                                               
Bay fault  on the  west side.  The Cook  Inlet forearc  basin was                                                               
filled  in  with  non-marine sediment  that  came  from  Interior                                                               
Alaska and erosion  from the arc in the  northwest and southwest.                                                               
Understanding  the geology  is  important  for understanding  the                                                               
potential, he noted.  Major rivers filled the basin  for the last                                                               
40 million  years. Point bar is  a very good reservoir,  but "the                                                               
flood  plain and  channel abandonment-type  things are  very poor                                                               
reservoirs."  The sands  deposited by  the river  system are  the                                                               
hydrocarbon reservoirs  and the  other areas  in between  make up                                                               
the coals, and  that is why there  is so much coal  in the basin,                                                               
he said.  There is a  complicated sequence of different  types of                                                               
reservoir  rock. He  showed outcrops  and seams  of coal.  In the                                                               
subsurface, well logs are used, he said.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:04:34 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWENSON showed  the sand distribution and a  structure map of                                                               
the tertiary  reservoir section.  It is five  miles thick  in the                                                               
deepest  part   of  the  basin,   and  that  is  why   there  are                                                               
hydrocarbons, he  said. There  has been  a significant  amount of                                                               
exploration and lots  of discoveries since the  1958 discovery of                                                               
Swanson field. He  showed a map of the wells  drilled since then,                                                               
but nearly all were drilled in  search of oil. By 1968, "they had                                                               
found 8.2  tcf of gas in  the basin and  no market for it,  and a                                                               
little  over  2  billion barrels  of  oil-incredible  hydrocarbon                                                               
province," he  said. At that  time it made  no sense to  look for                                                               
gas.  He showed  a field  size distribution  map. There  are many                                                               
100-300 bcf sized fields. There are  two fields in the 1.2 to 1.5                                                               
tcf range, and there are two  fields that are huge-greater than 2                                                               
tcf. "What's very,  very interesting about this  is that normally                                                               
if you go  to any other hydrocarbon basin in  the world, what you                                                               
see  is  that   this  distribution  is  that  you   have  a  full                                                               
distribution.  There'll  be lots  of  small  fields, there'll  be                                                               
very, very  few big  fields, and  this will be  filled in  with a                                                               
number of the other interim fields."  He said it is an incredibly                                                               
important diagram because it shows what could be out there.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:07:28 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked the success rate when drilling wells.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON  said wildcat success  is usually around  10 percent,                                                               
and  with new  technology  like  3-d seismic,  there  is a  40-50                                                               
percent success  rate. Drilling around  existing fields has  a 70                                                               
to 80 percent success rate.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS asked how success rates correlate with price.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked  if there is good  success finding gas                                                               
in Cook Inlet.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON  said no,  there is  not; it  is probably  10 percent                                                               
right now in  new exploration wells. When drilling  right next to                                                               
existing fields,  the rate  goes up.  He noted  that many  of the                                                               
recent dedicated gas  wells are actually wells  that were drilled                                                               
in the 1960s,  where gas was seen in the  shallow section but was                                                               
ignored. "So  they're going after  those old  opportunistic wells                                                               
right   now.  From   a  wildcat   standpoint   it's  really   not                                                               
specifically fair to make that comparison."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:09:01 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWENSON  showed a  diagram -"the  reason why  we're here"--of                                                               
the proven reserves in Cook  Inlet. He stated that "we're sitting                                                               
on a precipice." He said he  is only showing the proven or booked                                                               
reserves and it  is not the only gas. There  is additional gas to                                                               
be  found within  the fields  and  there is  exploration gas.  He                                                               
said, "It clearly  is something that we all need  to pay specific                                                               
attention  to.  The  days  of  having  a  significant  amount  of                                                               
stranded gas  are over in the  Cook Inlet." He stated  that there                                                               
is more gas out there, and  it will certainly be found within the                                                               
existing fields and  in new exploration play  types. The majority                                                               
of  the exploration  plays that  have been  drilled in  the basin                                                               
have been  on very easily-defined  structures on seismic  (on big                                                               
folds). He said  the hurdles are the  limited market, complicated                                                               
land access, and expensive data  and drilling costs. The costs of                                                               
exploration  are high  compared  to other  places  in the  United                                                               
States, he explained.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:11:22 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWENSON  said only  structural traps  have been  explored and                                                               
developed;  stratigraphic  trap  potential  is  untapped  in  the                                                               
basin. He said 85 percent of  the gas was discovered in the early                                                               
exploration  cycle. At  least 70  exploration wells  were drilled                                                               
strictly for  gas. Nearly one  in ten fields  is over 2  tcf, and                                                               
that is  a very unusual  statistic. The four largest  fields have                                                               
86  percent of  the reserves,  and field-size  distribution lacks                                                               
discoveries  in the  "300 to  1.3  tcf range,"  and "that's  what                                                               
we're here  for is to  understand the potential of  finding those                                                               
fields."  He explained  that structural  traps  are indicated  by                                                               
large  anticline with  a  cap  rock that  stops  the movement  of                                                               
hydrocarbons and  that most of  the big plays have  been drilled.                                                               
He showed  the types of gas  that have not been  drilled and said                                                               
that  the  gas that  has  been  drilled has  obvious  hydrocarbon                                                               
indicators in the seismic data.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:13:35 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWENSON pointed  to an example of gas  push-down that happens                                                               
when the  velocity of  the seismic  wave slows  down dramatically                                                               
going through the  gas zones. It takes longer for  the wave in to                                                               
get back to  the surface to be recorded. Gas  push-down is a good                                                               
indication of a major gas accumulation.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:14:26 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWENSON  said they  look for  the subtle  stratigraphic traps                                                               
and  how the  distribution of  the sands  is associated  with the                                                               
different river systems.  Where the sands pinch out  is where the                                                               
hydrocarbons are generally stopped.  The state geologic survey is                                                               
looking at  the basin  as geometry and  looking for  those subtle                                                               
changes in stratigraphy. He showed  the committee examples of the                                                               
thick lateral  traps and  exploration outlines  in Cook  Inlet of                                                               
areas with potential  gas. He said one of  the exploration issues                                                               
is that there are areas of potential that don't have access.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:17:17 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGGINS asked  if the Kenai National  Wildlife Refuge was                                                               
within the exploration area.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SWENSON  replied that  that  area  goes along  the  Sterling                                                               
Highway and  is state  acreage, which  was up  at the  last lease                                                               
sale. That's why it was picked  up. He explained, "During a lease                                                               
sale, we  only offer  everything inside with  all the  squares in                                                               
it."  Federal acreage  is not  up for  lease. "The  Swanson River                                                               
field and  the Cannery Loop  and Beaver Creek field  are actually                                                               
located within the wildlife refuge."                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
He  moved on  to  non-conventional exploration  gas  in the  Cook                                                               
Inlet basin. One of  the issues is that so much  gas was found in                                                               
so many  stacked reservoirs that  explorers had a  difficult time                                                               
completing  those fields.  Because of  the variance  in pressure,                                                               
one bore can  open up two zones of gas  with different pressures.                                                               
Gas from one  zone can move up  to the other zone  because of the                                                               
higher  pressure. To  get around  that, the  explorer does  "dual                                                               
completions  or  triple  completions"  by  running  a  production                                                               
tubing  string down  to just  pick up  those two  sands. Then  it                                                               
would run another  one down to pick up two  or three other sands.                                                               
Some wells have up  to 50 sands - like the  Blue River gas field.                                                               
To make sure  all the gas is retrieved, the  entire tubing string                                                               
has to be pulled out and major well work needs to be done.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON moved on to  certain potential within the basin using                                                               
a  porosity-permeability plot.  This relates  to the  pore spaces                                                               
between rocks and the ability to move fluids in them.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:20:16 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWENSON  said that  "tight gas sands"  have the  potential to                                                               
reservoir a  significant amount  of gas, but  it is  expensive to                                                               
get into  the well bore because  of the low permeability.  In the                                                               
Lower 48,  gas is  produced from  fractured shale  - the  Red Dog                                                               
mine in  northwestern Alaska is  doing this for its  mine energy.                                                               
Twenty  years  ago  producing  gas out  of  fractured  shale  was                                                               
unheard of  and now  it's the hottest  exploration play  in North                                                               
America. "So  technology does  make a  big difference.  Good data                                                               
collection is critical - and sound interpretation."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:21:34 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEDMAN asked  if the Yukon-Kuskokwim Delta had  a lot of                                                               
exploration.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SWENSON replied  that some  exploration has  occurred there.                                                               
Most  of  the  sediment  directly  offshore  from  the  river  is                                                               
relatively  thin; the  sediments have  been transported  into the                                                               
offshore basins.  A number of  majors did stratigraphic  tests in                                                               
those regions  in the 1980s, and  what they saw was  that all the                                                               
basins were gas-prone.  The economics and the costs  back at that                                                               
point in time didn't warrant further exploration.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:23:34 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WAGONER asked if Escopeta  was still pursuing the Kitchen                                                               
project [in Cook Inlet]. He  heard they were having problems with                                                               
the first drill rig.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON replied yes, but he  was not completely up to date on                                                               
it. He understood  that Escopeta got a waiver from  the Jones Act                                                               
to  tow the  rig, which  was a  big issue.  The company  that was                                                               
retrofitting the  rig had  a contract with  Escopeta, but  it was                                                               
sold, according  to the  newspaper, and the  new company  did not                                                               
honor that contract.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DYSON asked  what the  market  issues are  and what  the                                                               
legislature should do to help.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON  said, "The  bottom line  of that  is that  we're not                                                               
connected  to  the  Lower  48 hub."  There  are  three  companies                                                               
exploring  for gas  right now,  and if  one found  a two-tcf  gas                                                               
field, for example, it would  totally overwhelm the local market.                                                               
He said as  early as ten years  ago, when gas was  $1.50 per mcf,                                                               
"we would  be put  into, again, a  stranded gas  situation unless                                                               
there is an  export market or others." Without  a larger consumer                                                               
base, it  will be very hard  for an exploration company  to "come                                                               
up," he explained.  He noted that Enstar is  paying a significant                                                               
amount  for gas  because the  price is  associated with  lower 48                                                               
prices. The  potential gas in  Cook Inlet  now is not  "easy gas"                                                               
and will be  relatively expensive to find, "so  the companies are                                                               
risking a significant  amount of money to go out  and explore for                                                               
that, and without a wide open  market where they can sell as much                                                               
gas as they can produce, that's a fairly risky venture."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:26:50 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DYSON  said  any  projection  for  power  generation  or                                                               
heating is incremental. It would  take a large industrial user to                                                               
provide  a large  enough market,  he  surmised. "We're  whipsawed                                                               
here," he  said, because  some people say  Alaska needs  to spend                                                               
billions for a spur line or a  bullet line, but there may be more                                                               
gas than  is needed domestically.  "We need  to know what  gas is                                                               
out there, and if we have a  solution there, as opposed to a very                                                               
expensive  gas  pipeline,"  he  said.   He  has  heard  that  the                                                               
structures are good east of Swanson  River field, and that no has                                                               
asked to go out  there and look. He said it  is the same dilemma,                                                               
and he asked what should be done.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:27:58 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWENSON said  it is a complicated interactive  system. In the                                                               
moose  range, the  oil potential  is fairly  limited and  the gas                                                               
potential depends on who is looking  at the small amount of data.                                                               
Exploration in  the basin  is in  its infancy.  Marathon actually                                                               
has  approached the  federal government  to do  an expansion,  he                                                               
said. He  thinks that was approved.  He said he is  not an expert                                                               
on markets,  but there  are experts  in the  Division of  Oil and                                                               
Gas, and  they are working hard  to understand what can  be done.                                                               
Mr. Swenson said they should be asked to address the committee.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DYSON  said the  committee needs  his wisdom,  because it                                                               
does not have enough information  to make decisions. He asked how                                                               
that information could be attained.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SWENSON said  the state  is putting  significant money  into                                                               
understanding the potential  and looking at the  specifics of the                                                               
geology. He just hired a new  geologist, he said. The Division of                                                               
Oil and Gas is in the final phase of a study on the market.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:30:52 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked if,  because  the  gas is  stranded,                                                               
there is no incentive for companies to drill.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON said  the recent activity in the  basin is associated                                                               
with the gas price. For many  years the spot market was $1.50 per                                                               
mcf, and  now the price  is tied to the  oil price. When  the oil                                                               
price rises it  "certainly" gives incentives for  companies to do                                                               
exploration, "and  we've seen that increase  in exploration." The                                                               
market is small, and  it is like a small pipe  with a huge funnel                                                               
feeding it. To  fill the funnel without changing the  size of the                                                               
pipe  will  make  it  stranded again.  Expanding  the  pipe  will                                                               
increase exploration efforts significantly, he opined.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:33:27 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WAGONER   asked  about   how  gas  storage   relates  to                                                               
production and keeping the wells going.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON  said gas storage is  a critical part of  the basin's                                                               
deliverability and  production. The  Swanson River field  and the                                                               
Kenai  gas  field  have  storage  capabilities  and  permits,  he                                                               
stated.  The Enstar  and Chugach  contracts have  the problem  of                                                               
large seasonal swings  of demand. When there were  many gas wells                                                               
with lots  of deliverability,  that was not  an issue;  there was                                                               
always excess  deliverability. "The amount  of holes that  are in                                                               
the rock that  are producing gas are becoming  less because we're                                                               
seeing more  water come  in and all  those different  issues." So                                                               
there is not enough deliverability  in cold winter months, so the                                                               
export market gets shut down. "What  the storage does, is that we                                                               
take that deliverability in the  time when we're having that huge                                                               
demand,  and  we take  that  gas  and we  put  it  back in  other                                                               
reservoirs that  are not producing,"  he said. The gas  is pumped                                                               
out when  needed instead of  halting the exports. It  lessens the                                                               
seasonal swing in demand, he explained.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:35:41 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WAGONER said  he would like to know  what Escopeta knows.                                                               
"If they think  there's enough gas there to bring  in the jack up                                                               
rig…and  explore  and start  producing  that  gas, what  kind  of                                                               
market are  they looking  at?" He  said he  has been  asking that                                                               
question and he hasn't gotten an answer.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON  said it is a  good question and he  doesn't know the                                                               
answer.  Looking at  the basin-wide  scale, it  goes all  the way                                                               
down   to   the   prospect   level,  he   said.   And   when   an                                                               
"explorationist" looks at a prospect  that person "has to do that                                                               
same  probabilistic  analysis  about  how much  gas  is  in  that                                                               
prospect, and  so you will  say, OK, I  have a 95  percent chance                                                               
that it is bigger  than 200 bcf, and I've got  a 5 percent chance                                                               
that  it's as  big as  20 tcf,  and my  mean number  is somewhere                                                               
around 5  or 6 tcf…from  the prospect level, that  really depends                                                               
on  how  much  data  that  you  have. And  if  you  have  a  wide                                                               
distribution like that, you most likely  don't have a lot of data                                                               
that you're  basing those assessments  on. As far as  the market,                                                               
that's  a  good question  to  ask  Escopeta."  He said  there  is                                                               
exploration going on,  and he doesn't want to make  it sound like                                                               
it is  a hopeless  case without  any place to  sell gas.  He said                                                               
there are a lot of places to  sell gas from the basin. Agrium has                                                               
been looking for cheap gas, he  noted. It is the huge discoveries                                                               
that  would make  a  difference  on the  marketing  and create  a                                                               
stranded gas situation, he said.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:38:10 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HUGGINS said  there is  a  relatively dynamic  interface                                                               
between the  producers and  Enstar in the  peak periods  "to make                                                               
sure it is in the line."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON said  he doesn't know the details of  the market, but                                                               
there are days that it is very challenging.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:38:50 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  said gas prices  for Alaska  consumers have                                                               
increased  by 75  percent in  the last  three years,  and he  has                                                               
heard that  LNG is being exported  to Asia for a  lower price. He                                                               
asked if Alaska consumers are paying more.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON replied that he didn't know.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS said there is some  validity to that issue and he                                                               
intended  to shine  a bright  light on  Cook Inlet  from multiple                                                               
perspectives. The  gas business  and the proposal  to bring  in a                                                               
super-expensive pipeline  make him  question what gas  would cost                                                               
and if it would be competitive based on what's in Cook Inlet.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:40:19 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WAGONER  said the LNG  plant is already permitted  and it                                                               
could be turned  into a receiving station. In some  places in the                                                               
world people are  paying $0.50 to $0.75 per mcf  for gas for LNG.                                                               
It might be cheaper  to bring gas in by LNG  and regasify it than                                                               
to bring it from the North Slope.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:40:56 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGGINS  said the good news  is that there appears  to be                                                               
significant gas in Cook Inlet. He then asked about methane.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON  said all  gas from the  North Slope  is thermogenic,                                                               
whereby  for hundreds  of thousands  of years  accumulated marine                                                               
organisms were  buried and cooked,  and it includes both  oil and                                                               
gas. The Cook  Inlet is not a marine system,  and there are coals                                                               
throughout. As those coals are  being formed methane is produced.                                                               
He said  in a five-mile  thick stratigraphy, it is  a significant                                                               
amount. It is  biogenic and not cooked. Buried,  the methane gets                                                               
dissolved  onto the  coals,  "and  when you  uplift  that with  a                                                               
structure, it  releases pressure.  It comes  out of  solution and                                                               
then migrates up into the structures."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:43:00 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGGINS said it was a controversial subject in Mat-Su.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WAGONER surmised  that there is still gas  in Cook Inlet,                                                               
but no  more cheap gas, and  that is why industry  is looking for                                                               
other options in order to continue to operate there.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:44:04 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGGINS noted  that the committee will  hear about Agrium                                                               
using  some  of Alaska's  coal  in  the  future. There  being  no                                                               
further business to  come before the committee,  he adjourned the                                                               
meeting at 4:44:42 PM.                                                                                                        

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